It has certainly been a hot month but no Hot discoveries unfortunately!
I have recently started trying to pin down some of the DEVON connections.
There are several instances of SHOUT baptisms, marriages or burials in the FamilySearch.org website. There are also a number of occurrences in the 1841 and 1851 censuses on the big three UK genealogical sites. I am in the throes of trying to identify which families can be reconstructed so it may take some time for this to materialise.
If you go to the Devon page you will find what has been worked out thus far (although research at the relevant archives is desirable…!) This is still a work in progress and basically an hypothesis rather than confirmed fact.
Other than that I am still trying to fill in gaps (dates etc) in my tree.
Well, having returned from an idyllic couple of weeks holiday in Madeira I’m getting down to updating all my pages which had copies of items from Ancestry, Find My Past etc and were thus in danger of contravening copyright as mentioned in my May post. Wherever possible I will try to include a link to the original source.
In addition, to do something more interesting I have embarked on looking into some of the overseas instances of the name – starting with New Zealand. This then turned up some anomalies in my Family Historian Records so I am having to check / correct some of those entries too.
I have also found a line of Shouts in Jamaica who ended up in New York – but they are a job for another day!!
Having just received an email from the GOONS web site team regarding copyright issues for stuff copied from Ancestry: Find My Past etc I fear I will be spending some time transcribing any offending items.
This month I have been inputting / editing data held on the “Lost Cousins” web site. Within a very short time I had a response from a Lincolnshire branch cousin with several items of serendipity. A couple of other potential matches have not yet made contact , but I live in hopes!
Contacts with other “names” cousins have also been made, but other than that not a lot of progress to report (and next month -May – will be limited too as off to Madeira for some chill out time!)
This month has been taken up mainly with researching, collating and writing up the families of Benjamin and Robert Shout the statuaries of Holborn. They seem to have established themselves as fairly wealthy with their names appearing in many land tax and poor law returns in various parts of London. There are many examples of their work on the internet and I hope to get to view some of them.
Many of the children of Charles Lutwyche are listed in censuses as being of independent means. Charles’ will is long and particularly convoluted (to a non lawyer at least) leaving much of his estate in trusts – but not clear who benefits from them.
I have just “found” another Major Shout – he is on the list of “unknowns” as the only information I have so far is his burial in 1737.
Come back again next month to see what else has turned up!
I have added a couple more people to the page of Those I can’t place, the list gets longer but I am so busy trying to tidy up the pages for those I do know about that I never get round to these puzzles. Maybe one day there will be a flash of light – or someone out there will be able to point me in the right direction – ever the optimist! As part of this process I have reversed the order in which items appear. Now the newest is at the top to save scrolling down an ever increasing list.
I have been modifying the page dedicated to Benjamin Shout, the oilman of London. It includes a couple of earlier Benjamins whose origins are unknown, and also describes as much as possible Benjamin’s life and his family connections.
I have also commenced a stand alone page for Robert Shout the statuary and his line. They are an interesting group. – more to come on both of these branches…
I take this opportunity to wish “all my readers” a very Happy New Year
I have been trying to overcome my latest brick wall which is that I have too many William Shouts connected to the same father – or one William with too many marriages! Either way some detailed detective work has been required to get the right people in the right place ( and especially connected to the right spouse). Hopefully I have got to grips with the problem and just have to lay out my hypothesis to prove it works.
I have updated the page on William Shout but there is still more to do following my visit to the Minster late last year where I was shown round by John David who is following in Williams footsteps as the mason in charge of works.
And on top of that I’ve just found two more Benjamins – see the “Ones I can’t place” page. They were distillers in London – but of vinegar or gin I don’t yet know!
While on holiday in the North East of England I have been fortunate to be able to visit York Minster to walk in the footsteps of William Shout, master mason for the restoration of the Minster between 1780’s – 1820’s.
The present master mason, John David, very kindly showed me the work of the present team of masons carrying out the continuous maintenance of the fabric of the Minster. He also showed me wooden templates produced by William for the masons to carve many of the delicate features of the structure. There were also scale drawings of various facades of the minster. These are incredibly detailed and must have been very difficult to draw with the metal nibbed dipping pens of the day
I was able to visit the archives and look through Williams Day Book between the years 1805 ~ 1825, this was fascinating because of the details of the wages paid to the masons as well as the purchase of materials and many personal notes. A return visit is definitely necessary to absorb more details of his day to day life.
We also visited the Masons’ Loft where drawings were made and templates generated. Fascinating to see but the climb up some 65 narrow steps in a tight spiral staircase was a bit of a struggle. Then another 30 or so steps took us to the roof of the Chapter House where there was a very small door to access the ancient structure.
There is a downside unfortunately! As part of my reviewing of the draft page on William I realised that in fact I seem to have a surfeit of Williams, all connected to Helmsley. So now I have to trawl through my research notes again to find if indeed there are one, two or three!
I have had some success in tracking the family of Wonderful Chertsey who married Mary Montevideo Shout. It doesn’t move us forward in the Shout line but was an interesting diversion. Wonderful was in business with his father as a painter and glazier in the East End of London.
Unfortunately I seem to be easily diverted from my defined research plan!! When something pops up in an on line search off I go…
I had an interesting day at the London Metropolitan Archives recently. I spent most of the time looking at copies of the Sun Insurance ledgers of policies taken out by Benjamin, Robert, James Tagus, and Joseph Shout. Joseph was a greengrocer in Molton St. but where does he originate from? Another one for the “Ones I can’t place” page!
I have also had a weeks holiday in Portugal. Every time I go to Lisbon and see the River Tagus I contemplate the activities of John Shout the ship owner and his son James Tagus. – but never find anything out!
Work continues with odds and ends added from time to time.
There have been a couple of additions to the “Ones I can’t Place” page where my constant trawling through the on line facilities turn up interesting possible relatives. If any one recognises them or has more information please do let me know!!
I am in the throes of trying to compile a list of the things I want to look up in London at Society of Genealogists, London Metropolitan Archives and The National Archives. It is a few years since I visited any of them so will have to renew reader tickets etc.
I recently had the opportunity to visit York Minster to meet with the current master mason regarding the works of William Shout where they still have some of the templates that he using 200 years ago. Unfortunately due to a sudden bereavement I was unable to go but hope to rearrange for my next visit to the North. Fingers crossed
Enjoy looking through what I have put up so far and come back often to see when there is more…